Comments on: Review: “The Singularity is Near” https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/ Speculations on the Frontiers of Science and Culture Sun, 07 Aug 2011 04:38:38 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Americo https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-148 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:41:23 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-148 Just wrote a book review on The singularity. Although my style is different, I came roughly to the same conclusion as you. If you want, you can read the bookreview here: http://cybookreview.com/bookreview.html

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-149 Sun, 04 Nov 2007 19:57:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-149 Jason,

Thanks for the comment- I’ve actually been thinking about this stuff a lot lately. I think the questions of “whose future” is really wide open right now… the only specific prediction I feel I can make is that we’ll probably go through a pretty crazy time as 1. society gets used to these technologies and figures out how (and if) to integrate each of them into day-to-day life, and 2. certain people/groups/nations/etc make power plays for control of certain technologies.

I hope the good guys win, whomever they are. That’s about where I’m at now. :) Maybe as things progress we’ll get a better idea of who the major actors will be in the jockeying-for-position that will probably happen with this stuff.

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By: Jason Lillis https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-150 Fri, 02 Nov 2007 20:26:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-150 Mike,

Finally read your review on this, though it’s been what, about a year and a half since you posted it? Just curious if you’ve had any further thoughts on the matter since then, particularly the “whose” question. My local library has the book, so I may hunt it down for reading during thanksgiving.

Perhaps more soon.

-Jason

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-151 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 15:57:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-151 Thanks for the praise! I enjoy blogging quite a bit (I wish I could write good articles more quickly than I do).

All of what you say is true– basically, technological growth depends on the economy, and if there were a major economic shakeup, that might have major implications. Kurzweil argues that we’ve seen consistent growth throughout the 20th century, even through the great depression (even speeding up during WWII), so I think he’d say there’d have to be a really *big* economic shakeup for it to really influence technological growth. I think Kurzweil is fairly convincing in this. But a huge shakeup is certainly (increasingly?) possible.

Whose future– huge, troubling issue. One which Kurzweil definitely does not sufficiently handle. I try to sketch out a few ideas on that here though it’s not really ‘singularity’ oriented.

Cheers,
Mike

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By: Anonymous https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-152 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 12:52:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-152 Great blog.

One factor worth considering in any ambitious attempt to project “the” future is the seemingly inevitable instability of economic growth. Obviously, a society that is suddenly ravaged by war or depression will be thrown off the track. On the micro level: So many bright young people have great 10-year plans, then the parents go bankrupt, or the government funding becomes less generous, or the person’s business fails, etc.

A second factor to ponder in any attempt to predict “the” future is what my scare quotes are referring to: namely, the question -whose- future? Only a relatively small elite is able to afford high technology. The vast majority of Chinese peasants don’t (and probably won’t) have Wi-fi, for example.

So in all these projections of Man becoming Superman through extraordinary tech, we’re talking about a small elite of people depending on a large (even global) industrial economy that is remarkably stabile and robust: a thing so historically rare as to be a science-fiction prediction in itself.

If improvement continues, we will progress to levels beyond what we currently imagine – this is static prediction at best, and tautology at worst.

I feel somewhat confident that I will have lunch now. That much I can say. :)

Again, great blog. Don’t stop.

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By: Larry Sanger https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-153 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:09:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-153 Oops, I meant to make that comment to a different post!

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By: Larry Sanger https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-154 Thu, 12 Oct 2006 01:07:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2006/04/review-the-singularity-is-near/#comment-154 This is probably the best thing yet written about Citizendium that I’ve seen. I’m extremely impressed by the clear thinking and research that went into it.

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