Comments on: Scientific Research (1/5: Gut Flora) https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/ Speculations on the Frontiers of Science and Culture Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:48:24 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-57 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:31:28 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-57 Anon- I have, here and there, though I only got up to 3/5 in this specific series before the ideas turned into larger projects.

If you work backward from my most recent posts there are a lot of research ideas I'd love to pursue. The neuroscience series, dark energy, and evolution distance specifically.

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By: Anonymous https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-58 Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:54:03 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-58 Have you updated this blog from just the first in the series of 5?

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-59 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 17:14:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-59 Damned if you do, damned if you don’t, eh? I agree- fascinating stuff.

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By: Anonymous https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-60 Sun, 29 Jul 2007 11:37:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-60 Mike,

Twins are rare enough (1/90 births) so to have a combined vaginal/caesarean birth is much, much more rare (1/2250.)
http://pregnancy.about.com/cs/twinsmore/a/aatwinlabor.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin
Nevertheless, it’s the rare things that get studied most.

I haven’t found a study that focused on gut flora diffrences in twins from combined births yet, but I’m still looking.

Evidence that c-sections predispose infants to illness is widespread, however.
http://adc.bmj.com/cgi/content/abstract/89/11/993?lookupType=volpage&vol;=89&fp;=993&view;=short

But there is also proof that vaginal delivery has its own risks.
http://www.jacionline.org/article/PIIS0091674902000453/abstract

Pretty fascinating if you ask me.

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-61 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 18:01:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-61 Anon-

That seems to make a lot of intuitive sense. I suppose the question is, how much of a factor would it be? It’d certainly be another data point for twin studies (tracking differences in gut flora where one twin was delivered normally and the other via cesarean…).

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By: Anonymous https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-62 Sat, 28 Jul 2007 17:06:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-62 Think of what happens in birth: the baby’s head (body) passes down the birth canal/vagina. I’d say that the majority of bacteria inhabiting our guts came from the birth canal, not from breast milk.

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-63 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 21:45:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-63 tate- interesting link (I’ve added your blog to my feeds). I’m excited to see this topic get more awareness. I do encourage you to poke around the blog, particularly the 2006 posts.

Jordan- connecting different bacteria to different organs would be an interesting task, but a very hard and fuzzy one, so much so that I don’t think much of interest can be said about it yet.

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By: tate https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-64 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 02:15:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-64 I’m sympathetic to them too, though, yeah, there’s a lot of speculation that needs to get sorted out.

I was surprised to recently see that the wikipedia entry presents the subject (candida is implicated in autoimmune dysfunction) as though there is no controversy nor has there ever been. Nothing on the talk page either. And they have citations. Just six months ago, there was more controversy.

I brought it up as a way of attempting to address the last sentence in your post: “I haven’t found any literature that covers what I would like to study, which is modeling gut flora’s influence on personality without the mediating frame of a specific disease.” I still can’t quite get at it, and I’m getting too tired to try, so I’ll just give you a link to something which is related to this topic but where I don’t come right out and say what I’m actually thinking.

I’m going to poke around your site a bit more tomorrow.

Oh, yeah, Jordan: Don’t know, don’t know, and I think that candida is actually supposed to be found in the lower intestine. The eruptions of candida in the mouth and the vagina are supposedly due to the overuse of antibiotics.

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By: The Eyehole https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-65 Mon, 09 Jul 2007 00:07:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-65 Do either of you have any research concerning the taxonomy of flora comparing different species and their respective organs?
And…
Could fungus considered plant flora because of how it fixes nitrogen and enriches the soil bedding?
Don’t know much about c. albicans other than I think that it’s primarily throat and vaginal flora.
Jordan
http://chirodiesel.blogspot.com

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By: Mike https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-66 Sun, 08 Jul 2007 22:07:00 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2007/07/scientific-research-15-gut-flora/#comment-66 That is interesting! Thanks for the comment, and I’m glad to see this thought represented elsewhere.

Candida albicans is a tough topic– there are so many claims and so much corresponding skepticism that it’s really impossible to figure out what’s going on. Hopefully respectable scientists can at least get funding to study it, and in a couple years the dust will settle and we can figure out if it’s really as big of an influence on modern health as some people believe. I suspect it’ll be somewhere in the middle: there are tons of interesting and probably largely factual claims about the mechanisms by which it can influence health, but there are just *so many other* similar organisms that probably do similar things that I think it’s unwise to classify it as some sort of manipulative superbug. At this point.

If I were a scientist studying candida albicans I’d probably focus on the interplay between candida and the immune system. For the claims about candida (which I have some sympathy with) to hold water, candida’s gotta be fairly unique in how it finesses the immune system.

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