Comments on: Toward a new ontology of brain dynamics: neural resonance + neuroacoustics https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/ Speculations on the Frontiers of Science and Culture Mon, 09 Dec 2019 23:43:14 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Taking ‘brain waves’ seriously: Resonance Theory | Opentheory.net https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80201 Wed, 14 Jun 2017 19:30:11 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80201 […] alpha waves, gamma waves, and so on. Resonance Theory essentially doubles down on this ‘neuroacoustics‘ metaphor, but instead of focusing on specific wave frequencies, it focuses on their relative […]

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By: Why we seek out pleasure: the Symmetry Theory of Homeostatic Regulation | Opentheory.net https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80007 Fri, 26 May 2017 20:47:01 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80007 […] into the “brain regions as neuroacoustic chambers” […]

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By: Why we seek out pleasure: the Symmetry Theory of Homeostatic Regulation | Opentheory.net https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80005 Fri, 26 May 2017 19:53:06 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-80005 […] a new way to carve the problem space of psychiatry); (2) dig into the “brain regions as neuroacoustic chambers” angle; (3) explore how the brain’s symmetry gradients are initially (developmentally) […]

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By: A https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-71149 Thu, 07 Apr 2016 14:36:41 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-71149 you may appreciate this: http://mindsbasis.blogspot.com/2014/06/heat-as-sound-neural-impulses-as-sound.html?showComment=1459997156699#c2275447020880545307

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By: Exciting Possibilities of “Neuroacoustics” | MindLev https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-1161 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 05:11:10 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-1161 […] are other questions, but for now, we are looking at some interesting articles that have us kind of excited about the next ten years of neuroscience, specifically as it applies […]

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By: Raw Speculation: a deep, structural homologue between music and thought | Opentheory.net https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-400 Sat, 10 Sep 2011 04:30:17 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-400 […] point to (1) the mathematical ratios which define and constrain music, (2) the mathematics of resonance, acoustics, and dissonance, and (3) the modeling of musical structure as geometric constraints within a non-euclidean […]

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By: MJ https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-224 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 06:26:36 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-224 Hmm– I agree and disagree. :) Putting the label “acoustics” on the brain is sorta misleading, since by itself it’s only really accurate as a general statement that we need a structured dynamical model (of which ‘acoustics’ is a relatively simple example). But the term “resonance” in the context of the brain is more meaningful. It’s ‘just’ shorthand for a property of a SDS, but in my opinion it’s a pretty elegant/”non-leaky” high-level abstraction. Very useful for quantifying and simplifying some important functional properties of neural circuits* in a fairly tractable, intuitive way.

So I would say the core thrust of this idea is essentially about resonance. Acoustics enters the picture in that one key way we traditionally analyze resonance is we analyze the acoustic properties of the signal medium/context — so I’d define the meaning of ‘neural acoustics’ in relation to ‘neural resonance’. I don’t think I was very clear about this conceptual hierarchy in my writeup.

I’m not sure if resonance applies to the other structured dynamical contexts you mentioned. I’d have to think about that.

*You bring up the issue of acoustics being a more-or-less ‘deterministic science’, whereas the brain is highly dynamical or contextual. I think that’s actually a strength of this theory, that a key part of how the brain accomplishes some types of computation is by changing the profile of what patterns do resonate within certain regions. But yeah, you’d need some sort of notation or structure that could allow for this…

I feel like I should toss in the obligatory disclaimer that modeling specific neural circuits is always going to be more predictive than mid-level abstractions like neural resonance. But until we get to that point on a large scale, I think there’s quantitative and qualitative information to be extracted via the lens of resonance/acoustics. Or maybe a better way to put it would be, they’re efficient variables for predicting functional dynamics or typing neural circuits.

(Kinda reminds me of IBM’s cat cortex simulation, which included a virtual EEG so they could check ‘sanity check’ their emergent statistical behavior… pretty amazing! Even though they definitely oversold how their sim complexity compared to a real brain…)

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By: JoVo https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-219 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:15:12 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-219 It seems to me that you are arguing for a structured dynamical model to characterize neural behavior. Totally agreed. Structured dynamical models are the most sophisticated tools we currently have for described complex systems. Historically, we (humans) have analogized that the brain is like our most sophisticated technology, and the current technology is no exception. I would bet that if ever quantum computers become practical, we will all be claiming that the brain is a structured dynamical quantum computer. In so far as the analogy with acoustics, that seems like acoustics is a fine example of structured dynamical systems, but I fail to see anything particularly unique about it. What about actual language (not the acoustics of it)? Or the genome. A different time scale, but still certainly structured and dynamic. I think anything we recognize as reasonably complex would be fine. One absent piece in terms of the acoustics analogy, is that acoustics are fairly deterministic. To be able to predict neural activity at the same precision as one could predict acoustics, one would require an insanely large amount of information (and still perhaps not possible, given the possibility of quantum effects at ion channels and such – note that i’m not talking about “Hammeroff” style quantum effects, but actually measured quantum effects within the ion channels that govern neural activity). So, I would argue for using a formalism that explicitly considers and acknowledges uncertainty in the dynamics. Thus, I would argue for a *statistical* structured dynamical model today, with the caveat that when I know of some cooler technology, I will likely want to change my claim.

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By: Connectomics, and An Approach to Frequency Normalization | Opentheory.net https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-169 Mon, 15 Aug 2011 01:28:23 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-169 […] neurons (which do not shed much light on overall frequency dynamics), or particularly if we want to apply non-trivial amounts of audio theory, we need to control for these […]

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By: slehar https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-11 Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:22:24 +0000 https://archive.opentheory.net/2009/11/toward-a-new-ontology-of-brain-dynamics-neural-resonance-neuroacoustics/#comment-11 Hi Mike Johnson,

You and I have been thinking along parallel lines! Resonance in the brain? Exactly right!

Check out this on-line book I am working on…

http://sharp.bu.edu/~slehar/HRezBook/HRezBook.html

And this paper…

http://sharp.bu.edu/~slehar/ConstructiveAspect/ConstructiveAspect.html

Steve Lehar
slehar@gmail.com

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